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10 December, 2009



   
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Travel writer Chuck Thompson on the evil genius of Indian salesmen

How tenacious are they? For his new book, "To Hellholes and Back," Thompson found out the hard way. Again and again
 
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Chuck Thompson
"You only think you want two mangoes. In fact, you want fifteen!"

The following is excerpted from the rather amusing and insightful book “To Hellholes and Back: Bribes, Lies and the Art of Extreme Tourism,” by Chuck Thompson, published this month by Henry Holt and Company.

The biggest hassle in India

Indian salesmen are impossible. The irrepressible over-ambition of the country’s merchant class stalks you like a disease from the moment you step outside your hotel, forcing you to become the kind of blinkered, “Get the hell away from me” survival-mode tourist tosser you’ve always promised yourself you’d never become. Being white in this country puts a target on your back the size of a garlic naan.

Amid the stream of pleas, promises, and come-ons there are flashes of levity -- “Sir, wouldn’t you be honored to visit the shop where Richard Gere, Paul McCartney, and Wes Anderson have all bought spices?”

Mostly, though, the pressure comes from death-or-glory wheeler-dealers who throw themselves at you in unrelenting waves, like post-modern cinematic hyper-zombies -- forever approaching, hooting, hissing, demanding, wheedling, pawing, clawing, badgering, hassling, negotiating, renegotiating, reneging, hectoring, flim-flamming, lurking, following, promising, promoting, emoting, up-charging, lying, prying, spying, conniving, and, worst of all, sometimes actually convincing you to buy crap you’ve got absolutely no practical use for.

All of which makes India by a developing country mile the most annoying place in the world in which to be a tourist. Of course, I’ve never been to Egypt. Or Target the day after Thanksgiving.

Chuck Thompson
"No" is not in their vocabulary.
One lousy magazine

In India, the torment is amplified because you can’t even buy things you want without engaging in a mano-a-mano duel of wits and nerve with some street shark who’s far more adept at the game than you.

At a train station in Udaipur, a wild-eyed schemer selling magazines follows Joyce and me like a piranha closing on a pair of guppies. From the instant we climb out of the taxi all the way to the platform he stays with us stride for stride. Through my constant rejection -- first polite, then increasingly belligerent -- his bludgeoning pitch continues for 15 nonstop minutes and includes everything from the unimpeachable standards of Indian journalism to the seven hungry mouths he’s got to feed at home.

We finally shake the guy when we load into our reserved second-class compartment, only to have him burst through the curtain two minutes later and start laying out his entire stock on a bunk, demanding payment for magazines we damaged by forcing him to chase us through the station.

To get rid of him I have to literally push him out of the compartment and off the train -- after agreeing to buy a friggin’ magazine. I know, I’m a chump, but this is the way it happens.

Out of order

I’m not asking for change. India without its army of sleazy, dishonest, pushy merchants would be as lackluster and “safe” as America’s smoke-free bars. I’m just saying, even if they’d actually let you look at the merchandise without crawling into your underwear and telling you it’s the wrong size, you can only take so much abuse from a gang of opportunists whose personal sensitivity ranks just below Phnom Penh cathouse touts.

I grew up in a tourist town. You expect a few rip-offs in these places. “This traditional painting is done on genuine camel bone,” a vendor tells you. Take it out of the wrapper. Tap in on a table. It’s plastic. Fine. But as craftsmen of hustle, the Indians are operating on a completely different metaphysical plane.

A typical, verbatim exchange:

Me (entering restaurant): Is the full menu available?

Waiter: Yes, sir! Please have a seat.

Me (ten minutes later): I’ll have the tandoori chicken and a garlic naan.

Waiter: So sorry, sir, these items are not available because we are not operating the tandoor oven.

I’m not asking for change. India without its army of sleazy, dishonest, pushy merchants would be as lackluster and “safe” as America’s smoke-free bars.
— Chuck Thompson

Me: No naan, either?

Waiter: Yes, sir. Because not busy today.

Me: But you told me the full menu was available. That’s why I asked.

Waiter: Yes, sir.

Me: Could I at least get that beer?

Waiter: So sorry, sir, because we have no license for beer, sir.

Me: Because you have no license for beer, what?

Waiter: Yes, sir.

Me: Because you have no alcohol license you have no beer?

Waiter: Yes, sir.

Me: But when I sat down you took my order for a beer.

Waiter: Yes, sir. One large Kingfisher beer, sir.

Me: But there’s no beer?

Waiter: So sorry, sir. Because we have no license for beer, sir. The beer may come later.

Me: May come later?

Waiter: Yes, sir.

Me: Um, OK, just a mineral water then and the vegetable curry.

Waiter: Yes, sir. I will check on the water.

Chuck Thompson
You will not leave without a rug. Or a fight.
Twisted pitches

Even in their celebrated holistic arena, Indians’ tenacious sales instinct remains a core attribute.

In the Kerala town of Thekkady, I laid down for one of the region’s famed ayurvedic massage treatments, a blizzard of oils, herbs, and “vein straightening” considered medicinal when submitted to in large, agonizing doses.

On the advice of a reliable contact, I’d sought out a venerated local specialist, an organic, gray-bearded guru with several martial arts degrees and thirty years of experience rubbing people down before twisting them around like an antler. Ten minutes into the session, with bamboo flutes, burbling water, barking dogs, and fighting children in the background, the visionary master launched the up-sell.

“Best ayurvedic program is seven-day course,” he said while wrenching my shoulder into a position best known to orthopedic surgeons and NFL linebackers on the disabled list. “You do seven-day course you are new man.”

“I’m leaving Thekkady the day after tomorrow.”

“Perfect! Two-day course is even better. You come back tomorrow. Eleven o’ clock, first appointment of morning is best. I give special price.”

The shocking low point came after the massage when the guru climbed naked into the shower with me to wash my back and me having no small difficulty convincing him to leave. People ask all the time if I make this stuff up and the answer is, “No.”

I stumbled away reeking of cumin and lemon furniture polish -- an all-natural potion, the guru assured me, though I’m certain Dow Chemicals was involved -- with no further commitments, financial or otherwise. Even nude and soapy, you have to remain resilient in the face of the Indo hard sell.

Delhi dealer

The most instructive retail lesson comes in a dingy textiles shop in Delhi -- everything from elephant-embroidered eye pillows to elephant-embroidered shoulder bags -- where I watch a middle-aged French couple in matching faux-leopard-skin outfits attempt to drive a hard bargain with the equally intense owner, a tall, skinny guy with watery eyes and a mouthful of canine teeth.

Chuck Thompson
Chuck Thompson's previous book was 'Smile When You're Lying,' published in 2007.
The French want ten elephant-embroidered baskets for 30 euros, exactly one-third the asking price. They really don’t want to budge from their “We’re volume buyers, you will meet our price” position, but with Broadway exasperation the French woman finally slams a 50-euro note on the counter and huffs, “Last offer. You take 50 euros, we take all the baskets.”

The French woman appears to believe that 50 euros will feed all of Delhi for a week, but the owner still wants his 90 euros and the couple eventually storms off in a cloud of disgust.

As the climax of this petty drama is being reached, a gaunt, unshaven Brit, the same form of post-colonial ghost you see all over Asia, wanders into the shop with his two cents.

“You’re a poor negotiator, Dabi,” the Brit reprimands the owner. “Your starting price is too high.”

“The price is clearly marked on each item,” Dabi replies. “If they don’t like my price, don’t buy.”

“Yes, but your price is five times what it costs anywhere else. It’s a rip-off.”

“People who are smart enough not to be ripped off should be smart enough to avoid my shop. There is no sense getting angry about it.”




   
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Toby1
21 February, 2010
hehehe - laugh out loud funny
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Toby1
21 February, 2010
hehehe - laugh out loud funny
harlemjoe
30 January, 2010
Brilliantly perceptive and a jolly good read. India really does grab you by the balls and then squeeze them for fun ... the word we use in Mumbai to describe this unique attribute is "hectic" and you really capture "hecticness" in this article, not something many travelogues do. I especially enjoyed the stand-by-your-rip-off bit, that was especially viciously hilarious. Please publish your book in Kindle format and I will purchase it for sure. Thanks!
WineyeP
26 January, 2010
I dont understand you man. You are portraying India as a place where everybody is out to rob you. Being a poor country it has its fair share of desperate sales people. But there are several perfectly decent places run by government tourism boards where you can buy stuff at decent prices without having to bargain. The thing is, some of you idiots think you are smart enough to hunt for a bargain on the 'streets'. You also want to see the 'real India'. Well, best of luck to you. As for the incident with the guru, I have had a massage before with all those oils. I didnt like it either. But the rest of my family did. So its your opinion and you should know better than to malign someone because your experiment didnt turn out as expected. The man was trying to sell you his best product (a week long course, maximising profit). when he found you were not going to be able to stay long he tried to sell you another which suited your schedule. Whats so wrong about that? Are people in business not supposed to tailor their products according to their customers needs or try to make a sale or try to maximise their profit. I accept his selling skills arent in the least bit polished but you cant fault him for even trying. As for him entering the shower with you, maybe he was only trying to scrub the oils off your back. I am sure he wasn't trying to molest you. An old man would know that he would never be able to molest an able bodied younger man. So cut the old man some slack. Coming to the restaurant. As has been pointed out by other readers, you probably went to some street side restaurant where the waiters do not completely understand English. Even if they do they find it difficult to understand foreign accents. Just imagine someone with an Indian accent talking to you for the first time. Would you understand every word of it. The poor waiter was only trying to keep you in his joint. A word of advise, go to a decent restaurant next time. It isnt hard to identify one. There are usually waiters wearing decent uniforms and the people eating there also look distinctly richer (not from 'real India'). If you still want to visit the other restaurants, get a English educated local person to help you out. But being the jerk you are I am sure you consider seeking a bit of help from educated locals beneath you. Your description of the Delhi dealer smacks of utter rudeness. Calling him skinny and having a mouth full of canine teeth is almost racist (Racism doesn't have to necessarily have to be about colour. Chinks, gooks etc. are more about appearance than about colour). He is trying to do business on his own terms and he is certain of what price he wants to sell his wares at. there is nothing wrong with that. He wasn't chasing after people, the very thing that irritates you. And now you seem to have a problem with that too. Try not be so muddled. You seem to be a travel writer who likes to travel just so that he can find the worst in every foreign country and expand your horizon of hate and grumpiness. I am sure you will even complain if you travel to Germany or France because the people there don't speak English. This article of yours is a cheap attempt to sell a cheap book. Just the kind of material ignoramuses in America will enjoy I suppose. And as Bush showed in by getting elected twice, there are enough of them, to make you a good profit.
sanjive
21 January, 2010
OMG! That is the funniest thing I have read for a long time :D As an Indian I have always been amazed with the absolute tenacity that Indian shop keepers have. Nothing racist here at all..its just brilliantly funny. Am a bit surprised though about some of the comments here. Almost each one of the scenes described by Chuck here would easily make it to a Bollywood flick where we would all laugh our asses off...just because an Indian didn't write this doesn't make it less funny or racist..
danielv
20 January, 2010
Great argument and syntax "vmbharathi", you sound like a clever and educated man. Seriously, wow, you've done a fantastic job defending your country's salesman behavior against Chuck's article. Great article Chuck. I thought I experienced this despisable behavior in Morocco, China, Egypt and Sri Lanka, but this sounds like hell. Maybe here's a little help for them -- Marketing to Westerners 101: If you stay still at the counter of the shop, ask: "may I help you" and then shut up until you're ask to speak again, the likelyhood of you selling anything will increase by 150%. Why? Here's Marketing 201: Do you know about Porter's five forces? Well start studying. Ever heard of bargaining power of the buyer? Yes, we have all of it. Barriers to entry? None! Competition? Plenty! Subsitutes? Plenty! As a result, the bargaining power of you, the seller, is close to zero.
vmbharathi
22 December, 2009
common... u travellers get over it.. !! This happens everywhere.. all parts of the world.. !! I have personally been abused racially several times in the US or A. Have you ever been to vegas!! All this niggling and haggling and ..if i may say.. prostitution ..rather than trying to sell stuff.. I have been Phuket.. been to Hawai...its all the same.. people try to rip you off in all tourist places.. especially if u r a tourist!! get over it.. better yet - stay at home!!
nicodea2
16 December, 2009
@Everyone criticizing this article, Folks, all he's talking about are Indian salesmen - there's absolutely no reason for all of ye to start ranting about how he's focusing on the negative points and all that jazz....especially since most of the experiences he narrated up there are true anyway... Indians wouldn't know it unless you're a tourist... I'm an Indian myself but every time I go to India, I get ripped-off, scammed, hounded, bullied and badgered by these salesmen. I have NO idea how they figure out that I live outside the country. I can only imagine the craziness Chuck had to deal with. And leave Slumdog Millionaire alone, that was a good movie - all ye extreme nationalists have to stop picking on everything that criticizes an aspect of our country. Indians need to learn to laugh at our shortcomings. I know I have - I was reading this article and laughing my face off. Can you do the same? I rest my case.
Padaiyappa
16 December, 2009
I agree that the vendors in India can be a pain. You have to understand that with India being a third world country, people have a survival of the fittest attitutde. If you peddle your items like a someone in the western world, you may not sell a single thing and your family doesn't eat that day. Hence it is one of those things that everyone has to do to survive. It is just a cultural difference in which case you just have to be resilient and walk away. Not sure what happened in the restaurant but it could be the language barrier. I have had that happen before in India where they act as though they understand what you are saying but in reality don't.
shanyjacob
15 December, 2009
I agree with my friends comments about Mr Chuck above. Things like this happen not only in India but everywhere. Its our responsibility, as travellers/tourists to make sure we dont end up there! Cheers!
atlas693
14 December, 2009
dutchess - i am an indian and have no hesitation in saying that india is far from perfect. Have traveled to other parts of india, I myself hate those hagglers/touts/sleazy hangers-on to the core. But there are options by which you can avoid many of these problems. One of the best option is package tours which help most of these problems. We have sent many of my company clients who are mostly from America and Europe on these kind of package trips. They haven't had any problems like the ones mentioned. In fact i was supposed to accompany 2 clients for a trip, but had to pull out due to some problems. We sent these 2 english speaking folks with our regular travel agent's car. They had a good trip and even did purchases comfortably. i also hate the cabbies that accost you at rail stations and airport the moment you step out. I avoid this problem by either booking a travel cab in advance (normally with a placard ) or go for a prepaid taxi (at the airport only). I presume most of you from abroad can afford air travel and cab services in india easily. As i mentioned earlier, the hotel experience mentioned by Mr chuck can probably happen only at some second rate streetside joint which should never be visited in the first place. If you go all out on your won, then it is definitely very difficult situation. But that way most places in the world have some or the other issue when you venture out on your own. And of course there are some situations which are difficult to avoid like hawkers at a railway station who can chase you endlessly (unless you avoid rail travel altogether). But that is true of many public places even in the US. That is the reason i brought up the washington station story, which was a situation we couldn't avoid as we were travelling by train. My fellow countryman "waasoo" seems to have missed this point altogether. The bottomline is that "yes there are many challenges for a tourist in india, but there are options to overcome most of these as well". Things are not all black as mentioned by Mr. chuck.
HerbalEd
14 December, 2009
Chuck, you are so correct here. Actually I like India, although it's a love/hate relationship. The irony is that if the India salesman was not so aggressive and untruthful they'd actually make many more sales. They are their own worst enemy.
waasoo
14 December, 2009
Chuck Thompson had it right... every word of it. I am an Indian and I can relate to these experiences. Forget the "white man's" travails. An Indian from one part will face the same scums when they go travelling to another part of India. Sadly my fellow countrymen hate to read anything negative about India. To them "India Shining" is a reality anything else is but a lie. Please don't talk about Washington DC or Los Angeles. I am sure every country has it's share of "problem areas" but a tourist in India is at the mercy of these cheats at every step. To say otherwise is ignoring the truth
dutchess550
14 December, 2009
Sorry, atlas, things happen in India exactly as described. If you go, you must expect to have people follow you for blocks trying to sell you bangles, or jiggling an ashen baby at you in an attempt to wring out your last rupee. It can be exhausting, especially for a woman traveling alone but seeing the country is worth it, I promise. One needs a steely sense of humor as well and an ability to keep a perfectly straight face at times. I loved India, in all it's dusty, colorful, smelly glory. I would go back in a flash.
atlas693
14 December, 2009
what a pathetic one sided viewpoint! Mr.Chuck, whereever u go in the world you need to be aware of how things work in a particular place. It seems that either you are so harebrained that you never bothered to find out how to travel without hassles in India OR you were just asking for trouble so that you could write this article. Agreed that there are highly aggressive haggling merchant shops in India (especially when they sight a foreigner), but there are also hundred of good shops where you can buy things at just the retail price without any hassles. You need to enquire and find out where there are which any discerning tourist would do. Instead you seem to have acted like a babe in the woods for all your travel experience. Your hotel experience is really unbelievable . The probability of that happening in a decent Indian restaurant is extremely remote. You must have either gone to some really seedy , jacked up joint (where no sane person would ever go in the first place) or your attitude/communication must have triggered such a behavior from the hotel staff. As far as sleazy folks are concerned, i am reminded of my experience along with a friend at a washington train station where some one guy cme up and said "brother..pls buy these tickets from me" even though i didnt want to. We were scared that he would pull out a gun and start shooting if we said 'no' Atleast you dont have that fear in India!!! Anyways the point that you seem to be both a stupid traveller and a biased jerk without objectivity. CNN readers dont deserve writers like you because you are misleading them with one sided articles.
virtind
13 December, 2009
As an Indian, I experience "harassment" by sellers and hawkers too. Either the author has exaggerated in an attempt at humor or he is incapable of understanding the reason behind the salespeople's behaviour. Many of these people really come from poor backgrounds and live off a day-to-day income. The unorganized nature of their "employment" causes them to be exploited even by their own people and superiors. So they will use all the means available to them to secure a buy. But this is not something that comfortable white people from the West can understand. After all, if Mr. Chuck Thompson was in a similar situation, he couldn't be traveling around the world making judgements on people whose condition he really doesn't care to understand.
yoga79
13 December, 2009
I think the author has exaggerated only the negative part and seems like he went to India to find out how good Indian street hawkers are copared to Wallstreet rip offs. I am an Indian in US on a temporary business trip and I find some areas in Losangeles more frightening than anything that I encountered. My colleague's Passport and laptop were stolen from his car during daylight. I believe that this authors Passport is not stolen as he safe home back. I believe every country in this world has got its bad and good.
rovi
12 December, 2009
Behaving how the hawkers expect newbie white travelers to behave is what will get you this. I was in Cairo just weeks ago and was expecting the mother of all hassle cities. Not true! We had a superb time! Be easy going, smile, be polite (but firm), joke with the locals, ask them questions. In short: Don't behave like a prick and they won't treat you like one. The problem lies with the tourists, not the locals.
amkne
12 December, 2009
You go looking for a hellhole and you find it. Open your eyes. And by the way, try selling fruit for a day to feed your family and then come back and talk about your experience. You are blinded by your privilege. You may have been to India, but you did not see it.
ppardasani
12 December, 2009
You are not very intelligent clearly. Yes, it is extremely difficult to travel in India without being pestered. I'm Indian, it happens to me everyday! The reason why you were annoyed so much is because you are inept and you went into India with a state of mind that spelled dominance to the Indians. Clearly, if you walked around like you owned the country (which happens to be the best democracy in the world) then obviously people are going to approach you because if you walk around like you are the richest then they're going to think that you are.. clearly. "forever approaching, hooting, hissing, demanding, wheedling, pawing, clawing, badgering, hassling, negotiating, renegotiating, reneging, hectoring, flim-flamming, lurking, following, promising, promoting, emoting, up-charging, lying, prying, spying, conniving, and, worst of all, sometimes actually convincing you to buy crap you’ve got absolutely no practical use for." this paragraph is RIDICULOUS.. don't talk about other people being greedy annoying and conniving, when Americans are the reason we're in a recession in the first place. Clearly banks were too greedy for money and that's where all the problems started. How dare you criticize a nation and not praise it at all. We could do the same thing about America. We could take a trip to the Midwest where there are trailer parks, hillbillies, and an over-consumption of mountain dew. I LOVE America and I'm an Indian-American, but it's not fair to simply concentrate on the negative aspects of a country. This might as well be Slum-Dog Millionaire written out.
goodindia
11 December, 2009
There are very good things in india and you left all and talked about only bad side. There is lots of good side. You have never been threatened any were and you are safe, and the thing is you are alone. Can any outsiders walk in US after 6 PM. As told by earlier comment you are talking about ugly truth which is there in all countries including US. There are well organized package tours to india with a good guide. Try that next time.
paragagarwal
11 December, 2009
Partly true chuck! Learn the art of haggling first before coming to India. The first quote, you don't even bother about. when asked to state a price, quote 25-50% of the asking price. Do not pay more than 50% in any case. Best of luck next time !
Dilip003
11 December, 2009
I guess your mental stage totally matches with the director of Slumdog Millionaire - Showing Super Saturated Ugly Truth Minus all possible good things! If you go to any ghetto area in US you will be scared to your death and if you walk on Albany street you will realize you were a lot safer and welcomed in India :)
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